COVID, Connection, and the Complexity of Truth (Part Two)

BONUS EPISODE: PART TWO

In this follow-up to last week’s intimate and unfiltered dialogue, Jamie and Joan return to continue unpacking the long arc of the COVID-19 pandemic—not just what happened, but what’s still living in their bodies, relationships, and practices today.

While Part One explored the personal shifts and emotional tensions that surfaced in real time, Part Two moves into the ongoing questions: *What are we still holding? What are we still untangling? And how do we move forward while honoring what’s been lost, changed, or revealed?*

Joan shares how the pandemic continues to shape her experience as a physician—especially in rebuilding trust with patients and colleagues, and reconciling the weight of professional responsibility with her personal values. Jamie speaks to the slow, nonlinear process of belief shifts, the complexity of interpersonal rupture, and the often-overlooked grief of realizing that the world, or the people around us, may not return to what they once were.

Together, they explore what it means to stay open to nuance in a time that often demands certainty. They reflect on the toll of moral absolutism, the loneliness of shifting perspective, and the surprising places where compassion can be found.

This is not a conversation aimed at closure—it’s an invitation to stay present with discomfort, to make room for difference, and to practice relational integrity in real time.

If Part One was about the immediate impact of a world in crisis, Part Two is about what lingers—how we live in the aftermath, and how we keep finding each other across the space between.

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Part One is available to all paid subscribers, and this second installment continues the raw, evolving dialogue that Experiential Anatomy was created to hold.

Jamie and Joan are currently between seasons, and recording for the next season of Experiential Anatomy is already underway. Stay tuned—new episodes are coming soon.